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                    <seg rend="36px">THE&#160;&#160;NEW&#160;&#160;TIMES. </seg>
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                                    <hi rend="small-caps">No. 8189.</hi>
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                                <seg rend="12px">LONDON, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1824.</seg>
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                <l rend="center"> CONVERSATIONS OF LORD BYRON. </l>
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                    <seg rend="13px">(Concluded from our Paper of yesterday.)</seg>
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                <p xml:id="TM-37"> We have traced the progress of <persName key="LdByron">Lord <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Byron&#8217;s</hi></persName> poetical career through three important
                    stages&#8212;of which the <name type="title" key="LdByron.Bards"><hi rend="italic">English
                            Bards and Scotch Reviewers</hi></name> may be considered the first; <name
                        key="LdByron.Harold"><hi rend="italic">Childe Harold</hi></name> with the <hi rend="italic"
                            ><name key="LdByron.Corsair">Corsair</name>,</hi> &amp;c. the second and <name
                        key="LdByron.Beppo"><hi rend="italic">Beppo</hi></name> and <name key="LdByron.Juan"><hi
                            rend="italic">Don Juan</hi></name> the third: we now come to a fourth and still more
                    exceptionable class. </p>

                <p xml:id="TM-38">
                    <name key="LdByron.Juan"><hi rend="italic">Don Juan</hi></name> had alarmed the English public,
                    slow as the public always is to take a moral alarm. The grossness was too obvious, the contempt
                    of natural decency and of natural feeling was too plain and undisguised, not to revolt minds of
                    common sensibility. The popularity of <persName key="LdByron">Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Byron</hi></persName> began to ebb rapidly. Yet, instead of retracing his erring
                    footsteps, instead of &#8220;approaching the shrine of Delphi with the supplicating
                    bough,&#8221; he rushed into a bolder defiance of public scorn he made more undisguised attacks
                    on all that we hold venerable and sacred. </p>

                <p xml:id="TM-39"> The first of these was <name type="title" key="LdByron.Cain"><hi rend="italic"
                            >Cain</hi></name>, which the Noble Author called &#8220;a Mystery;&#8221; and truly if
                    he did not intend it as an attempt to shake the first principles, we will not say of Revealed
                    but of Natural Religion, it is quite a mystery what he did intend. The work is miserably dull,
                    and therefore can do little mischief. <seg xml:id="TM-39.a"><persName>Cain</persName> is
                        introduced hating his father before he meets with <persName>Lucifer</persName>; and
                            <persName>Lucifer</persName> labours to persuade him to hate God. To understand what
                        aim <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> had in writing this heavy
                        work, we should understand what he himself seriously thought on religious subjects; but
                            <persName key="ThMedwi1869">Capt. <hi rend="small-caps">Medwin</hi></persName> candidly
                        confesses, that <q>&#8220;it is difficult to judge, from the contradictory nature of his
                            writings, what the religious opinions of Lord Byron really were;&#8221;</q> (p. 74.)
                        and the Captain seems to have been just as much at a loss to solve this enigma by the laid
                        of his Lordship&#8217;s personal communications. Thus much however is certain, that his
                        Lordship professed to think it <q>&#8220;a pleasant voyage, to float like <persName
                                key="Pyrrh270"><hi rend="small-caps">Pyrrho</hi></persName> on a sea of
                            speculation.&#8221;</q> (p. 74.) He thought <q>&#8220;religions take their turn:
                            &#8217;twas <persName><hi rend="small-caps">Jove&#8217;s</hi></persName>, &#8217;tis
                                    <persName><hi rend="small-caps">Mahomet&#8217;s</hi></persName>; and <hi
                                rend="italic">other creeds</hi> will rise with other years.&#8221;</q> He spoke
                        with contemptuous indifference of the uses of a building which had been the &#8220;shrine
                        of all Saints and Temple of all Gods, from <persName><hi rend="italic">Jove</hi></persName>
                        to <persName><hi rend="italic">Jesus</hi></persName>.&#8221; (<hi rend="italic"><name
                                type="title" key="LdByron.Harold">Childe Harold</name>.</hi>) <q>&#8220;Yet,&#8221;
                            says <persName>Captain <hi rend="small-caps">Medwin</hi></persName>, &#8220;his
                            wavering never amounted to a disbelief in the Divine Founder of
                            Christianity.&#8221;</q> (p. 75.)</seg> In proof of this we are told (after five quarto
                    pages of his Lordship&#8217;s disjoined talk, concluding with <q>&#8220;I am called a
                        Manichean; I may rather be called in Anychean, or an
                        Anythingarian&#8221;</q>)&#8212;<q>&#8220;calling on him the next day we found him, as was
                        sometimes the case, silent, dull, and sombre. At length he said, &#8216;Here is a little
                        book somebody has sent me about Christianity, that has made me very uncomfortable; the
                        reasoning seems to me very strong; the proofs are very staggering. I don&#8217;t think you
                        can answer it, <persName key="PeShell1822"><hi rend="small-caps">Shelley</hi></persName>.
                        At least I&#8217;m sure I can&#8217;t; and what is more I don&#8217;t wish
                        it.&#8217;&#8221;</q> (p. 80.) But though the Noble Peer was thus destitute of any fixed
                    principles of religion, he was not destitute of superstition. We learn that this luminary of
                    the age had a dread of omens, a belief in presentiments, and a faith in
                        fortunetellers!&#8212;<q>&#8220;The first time of my seeing <persName key="LyByron">Miss
                                <hi rend="small-caps">Millbank</hi></persName> was at Lady &#8212;&#8212;&#8217;s.
                        It was a fatal day: and I remember that in going up stairs I stumbled, and remarked to
                            <persName key="ThMoore1852"><hi rend="small-caps">Moore</hi></persName>, who
                        accompanied me, that it was a bad omen. I ought to have taken the warning.&#8221;</q> (p.
                    36.) Again, <q>&#8220;The very day the match was concluded, a ring of my mother&#8217;s, that
                        had been lost, was dug up, by the gardener at Newstead. I thought it was sent on purpose
                        for the wedding; but my mother&#8217;s marriage had not been a fortunate one; and this ring
                        was doomed to be seal of an unhappier union still.&#8221; (p. 38.)&#8212;&#8220;I had very
                        early a horror of matrimony. This feeling came over me very strongly at my wedding.
                        Something whispered me that I was sealing my own death-warrant. I am a great believer in
                        presentiments. <persName key="Socra399">Socrates&#8217;s</persName> demon was no fiction.
                            <persName key="MaLewis1818">Monk Lewis</persName> had his monitor, and <persName
                            key="Napoleon1">Napoleon</persName> many warnings.&#8221;</q>!&#8212;(p. 54.) Passing
                    by a cottage in Italy on his daughter&#8217;s birth-day he heard the wailings of some women
                    over a corpse: <q>&#8220;<persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi>
                        </persName> was much affected; and his superstition, acted upon by a sadness that seemed to
                        be a presentiment, led him to augur some disaster. I shall not be happy, said he, till I
                        hear that my daughter is well. I have a great horror of anniversaries: people only laugh
                        who have never kept a register of them. I always write to toy sister on <persName
                            key="AdByron1852">Ada&#8217;s</persName> birth-day. I did so last year; and what was
                            <hi rend="italic">very remarkable,</hi> my letter reached her on my wedding day, and
                        her answer reached me on my birth-day!&#8221;</q> (p. 100.) Could any old nurse in
                    Christendom gabble greater nonsense than this? However he goes on&#8212;<q>&#8220;Several
                        extraordinary things have happened to me on my birth-day: <hi rend="italic">so they did to
                                <persName>Napoleon</persName>.</hi>&#8221;</q>!! The conclusion of this adventure
                    is really curious. The day after this most salutary and serviceable presentiment, a letter
                    arrives from England, mentioning among other things that a certain <persName key="JoPolid1821"
                        >Mr. Polidori</persName> had poisoned himself. Now, then, the dream is out! <q>&#8220;I was
                        convinced,&#8221; said <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName>,
                        &#8220;something very unpleasant hung over me last night. I expected to hear that some body
                        I knew was dead.&#8221;</q> (p. 101.) <seg xml:id="TM-39.b">The order of events is
                        this:&#8212;Sometime (perhaps) about the middle of October <persName>Mr.
                            Polidori</persName>, a person known to <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Byron</hi></persName>, kills himself in London. This circumstance shortly afterwards
                        comes to the knowledge of <persName key="JoMurra1843">Mr. <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Murray</hi></persName>. <persName>Mr. <hi rend="small-caps">Murray</hi></persName> in
                        a few days more has occasion to write to <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Byron</hi></persName>, and incidentally mention <persName><hi rend="small-caps"
                                >Polidori&#8217;s</hi></persName> death. A few weeks subsequently <persName>Miss
                                <hi rend="small-caps">Ada Byron&#8217;s</hi></persName> birth-day occurs. On that
                        day the child of an Italian peasant dies. On that day also, <persName>Lord <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> takes his usual ride, which happens to lead
                        him along by this peasant&#8217;s cottage. The next day, <persName>Mr. <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Murray&#8217;s</hi></persName> letter to <persName>Lord <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> is delivered in due course or post. And his
                        Lordship, who cannot believe one word of the Scriptures, believes that in these ordinary
                        occurrences there is something miraculous!</seg>&#8212;<q>&#8220;There are lucky and
                        unlucky days as well as years and numbers too,&#8221; says <persName>Lord <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> on another occasion.<q> &#8220;You would
                            not visit on a <hi rend="italic">Friday,</hi> would you? You know, you are to introduce
                            me to Mrs. &#8212;&#8212;. It must not be tomorrow, because it is Friday!&#8221;</q>
                        (p. 104.) &#8220;Who can help being superstitious?&#8221; &#8220;The Italians think the
                        dropping of oil very unlucky. <persName><hi rend="small-caps">Pietro</hi>p</persName>
                            (<persName key="PiGamba1827">Count Gamba</persName>) dropped some the night before his
                        exile!&#8221;</q> (p. 103.) <q>&#8220;It had been predicted by <persName>Mrs. <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Williams</hi></persName> that twenty-seven was to be a dangerous
                        age for me. The fortune-telling witch was right.&#8221;</q> (p. 37.) <seg xml:id="TM-39.c"
                        >And again, <q>&#8220;Have you ever had your fortune told? <persName>Mrs. <hi
                                    rend="small-caps">Williams</hi></persName> told mine.&#8212;She predicted that
                            27 and 37 were to be dangerous ages in my life. One has come true. Yes, added I, and
                            did she not prophesy that you were to die a Monk and a miser? I don&#8217;t think (says
                            his Lordship) these two last very likely; <hi rend="italic">but it was part of her
                                prediction.</hi>&#8221;</q> (p. 104.) This last touch is exquisite. The
                        superstitious man takes just as much of the prophecy as renders it plausible; but for the
                        credit of the fortuneteller he sinks the rest; and it is only by cross examination that you
                        can extract from him proof&#8217; that his oracle is false. And this is the great
                            <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName>! <q>
                            <hi rend="italic"><foreign>O caecas hominum mentes</foreign>!</hi></q></seg>
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                <p xml:id="TM-40"> But enough of <name type="title" key="LdByron.Cain"><hi rend="italic"
                        >Cain</hi></name>&#8212;a blacker stain remains behind. <persName key="LyByron">Lord <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> found in the lowest deep a lower still. In
                    conjunction with <persName key="LeHunt"><hi rend="small-caps">Hunt</hi></persName>, the author
                    of some poems, which his Lordship sneeringly calls <hi rend="italic">Nimini-pimini</hi> and
                    Folly-age (p. 261), he made an attempt to establish a literary Journal called <hi rend="italic"
                            ><name type="title" key="Liberal1822">The Liberal</name>,</hi> which struggled through
                    about three numbers, and then expired. In <name type="title"><hi rend="italic">The
                        Liberal</hi></name> appeared the production which has consigned <persName>Lord <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Byron&#8217;s</hi></persName> name to lasting infamy&#8212;the <hi
                        rend="italic"><name type="title" key="LdByron.Vision">Vision of Judgment</name>.</hi>
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                <p xml:id="TM-41"> When <name type="title" key="LdByron.Cain"><hi rend="italic">Cain</hi></name>
                    was published, <persName key="LdByron">Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> said of
                    the publisher: <q>&#8220;He is threatened with a prosecution by the Anti-constitutional
                        Society. I don&#8217;t believe they will venture to attack him: if they do, <hi
                            rend="italic">I shall go home, and make my own defence.</hi>&#8221;</q> His Lordship
                    was misinformed. The Constitutional Society, which <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Byron</hi></persName> (who knew no more of the Constitution than an infant) thought
                    fit to call Anti-constitutional, was not instituted to prosecute irreligious but seditious
                    publications, and never threaten to prosecute the publisher of <hi rend="italic"><name
                            type="title">Cain</name>.</hi> That Society, however, did prosecute to conviction the
                    publisher of the <hi rend="italic"><name type="title" key="LdByron.Vision">Vision of
                            Judgment</name>,</hi> and would assuredly have prosecuted the Author, had he come home;
                    but <hi rend="italic">that he did not think proper to do.</hi> The <name type="title"><hi
                            rend="italic">Vision of Judgment</hi></name> is certainly, without a single exception,
                    the most infamous production that ever issued from the British Press&#8212;infamous for its
                    blasphemy, for its antinational sentiments, and infamous for its private and personal
                    malignity. </p>

                <p xml:id="TM-42"> We all remember the old story of the three schoolboys who got into the water.
                    The one who could swim a <hi rend="italic">little</hi> was punished the most severely.
                        <persName key="LdByron">Lord Byron</persName> was not a downright unbeliever: he believed a
                        <hi rend="italic">little.</hi> To his mind therefore every scoff at the Almighty, at
                    Christ, at the Apostles, at the Resurrection, and the Final Judgment, was at least a <hi
                        rend="italic">possible</hi> blasphemy. He was certain to shock and harrow up the minds of
                    the pious: he was not certain not to sacrifice his own and his reader&#8217;s eternal
                    salvation. One would think that no earthly temptation could induce a man wilfully to encounter
                    the peril of so tremendous an evil. And what was his temptation? To indulge political pique and
                    private rancour. </p>

                <p xml:id="TM-43"> If ever there was a Sovereign whose memory was sanctified in the gratitude and
                    affection of a people, it was <persName key="George3"><hi rend="small-caps">George</hi> the <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Third</hi></persName>. Him <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Byron</hi></persName> chose as an object of ridicule, scoffing at his age, his
                    blindness, his mental affliction! Nothing could shew a mind more alien to English feeling. The
                    military glory of his country he had elsewhere laboured to render contemptible. Waterloo was
                    gall and bitterness to him. <persName key="Napoleon1"><hi rend="small-caps"
                        >Buonaparte</hi></persName>, the cowardly Fugitive from that memorable field, &#8220;a
                    glorious Chief.&#8221; the &#8220;idol of the soldier&#8217;s soul;&#8221; thought he had but a
                    twelvemonth before execrated him as &#8220;mean,&#8221; &#8220;abject,&#8221; an &#8220;an evil
                    spirit,&#8221; a &#8220;Throneless homicide.&#8221; But we must hear his political profession
                    of faith&#8212;<q>&#8220;I take little interest in the politics at home.&#8221;&#8212;&#8220;My
                        views extend to the good of mankind in general&#8212;of the world at large.&#8221;</q> (pp.
                    228, 229.)&#8212;<seg xml:id="TM-43.a">Accordingly he went to Italy, and there he became a
                            Carbonaro.&#8212;<q>&#8220;I had a magazine of one hundred stand of arms in my
                            house,&#8221;&#8212;&#8220;I had received a very high degree, without passing through
                            the intermediate ranks.&#8221;</q> (p. 32.) Thus was an English Peer acting the secret
                        traitor, in a foreign State: and all for the good of mankind in general! It did not enter
                        into <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron&#8217;s</hi>
                        </persName> thoughts that to be a true philanthropist a man ought to discharge well the
                        domestic and the patriotic duties. As to the former, he confesses himself a spendthrift, a
                        debauchee, and an adulterer; as to the latter, he voluntary forswears his native soil; he
                        impeaches his country&#8217;s honest fame; he even forbids his daughter <persName
                            key="AlByron1822"><hi rend="small-caps">Allegra</hi></persName> to marry an Englishman;
                        (p. 98.); and he seems to think that to prove his patriotism it is only necessary to insult
                        the Monarch, vilify the leading Members of Government, foment disaffection, and treat
                        loyalty as a crime.</seg>&#160;<seg xml:id="TM-43.b">In this very volume is a despicable
                        hotch-potch called the <name type="title" key="LdByron.Avatar"><hi rend="italic">Irish
                                Avatara</hi></name> (p. 216.); intended to ridicule the enthusiastic reception
                        which the <hi rend="small-caps">King</hi> received from his Irish subjects when he visited
                        Dublin. It is indeed as dull as <hi rend="italic"><name type="title" key="LdByron.Cain"
                                >Cain</name>;</hi> but had it been a hundred times more animated, the single
                        expression &#8220;the welcome of tyrants&#8221; would have sufficed to render every Irish
                        heart indignant at the libel. In the same copy of verses is also a frantic tirade against
                        the <persName key="LdCastl1">Marquis of <hi rend="small-caps">Londonderry</hi></persName>,
                        who was then living: it is wholly false and slanderous, though certainly not half so
                        repulsive as the <hi rend="italic">Epigrams</hi> in the <name type="title"
                            key="Liberal1822">Liberal</name> on that lamented Statesman&#8217;s death.</seg>
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                <p xml:id="TM-44"> We have, however, somewhat digressed from the <name type="title"
                        key="LdByron.Vision"><hi rend="italic">Vision of Judgment</hi></name>, to which we must
                    revert to notice its principal aim and object. This was undoubtedly to gratify a vindictive
                    hatred on the part of <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> against
                        <persName key="RoSouth1843">Mr. <hi rend="small-caps">Southey</hi></persName>. The present
                    volume shews how keenly sensible Lord Byron was of critical severity. We have seen what he
                    suffered from the Edinburgh Reviewers. <persName key="ThMedwi1869">Captain <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Medwin</hi></persName> states that he &#8220;smarted under the ill
                    reception <name type="title" key="LdByron.Marino"><hi rend="italic">Marino Faliero</hi></name>
                    met with, and was indignant at the critics who denied him the dramatic faculty;&#8221; but
                    these are all nothing to his sensations on perusing an article of <persName>Mr.
                        Southey&#8217;s</persName>&#8212;<q>&#8220;He looked perfectly awful: his color changed
                        almost prismatically: his lips were as pale as death.&#8221;</q> (p. 148.) <seg
                        xml:id="TM-44.a">The truth was, that <persName>Mr. Southey</persName> had exposed the
                        wickedness and folly of the &#8220;Satanic School&#8221; of Poets in a manner that carried
                        conviction to every mind. The public was with him, and the Satanic poets writhed under the
                        justice of his severe castigations. On him, therefore, <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                                >Byron</hi></persName> lavished the most violent abuse, nor did he pause a moment
                        to consider whether it was either true or probable. Every person who has the honor of
                        knowing <persName>Mr. <hi rend="small-caps">Southey</hi></persName> knows him to be a man
                        of the purest integrity, and of a spirit most honorably independent. But because the
                        experience of maturer life has taught him to correct, not the vices (for these he never
                        had) but the delusive hopes and fond imaginations of ardent youth, therefore did
                            <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> call him a Renegado. Because
                        his Sovereign conferred on him a well-earned literary honour, to which is attached a
                        trifling salary, not a twentieth part of what he might gain (like <persName>Lord <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName>) by &#8220;the sweat of his brain,&#8221;
                        therefore did his Lordship call him a &#8220;hireling.&#8221; Cowardice, ferocity, and many
                        other vices equally alien to <persName>Mr. <hi rend="small-caps"
                            >Southey&#8217;s</hi></persName> nature, did this Noble Libeller charge on the object
                        of his fear and his revenge.</seg> And yet <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps"
                        >Byron</hi></persName> cries aloud against what he falsely calls <persName>Mr. <hi
                            rend="small-caps">Southey&#8217;s</hi></persName> &#8220;malicious calumnies!&#8221;
                    (p. 149.) <seg xml:id="TM-44.b">We ought not to omit noticing the more gratuitous abuse of
                            <persName key="WiWords1850">Mr. <hi rend="small-caps">Wordsworth</hi></persName>, which
                        is equally and utterly false. <q>&#8220;It is satisfactory to reflect,&#8221; says
                                <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> of this Gentleman,
                            &#8220;that where a man becomes a hireling and loses his independence, he loses also
                            the faculty of writing well.&#8221;</q> (p. 192.) But <persName>Mr. <hi
                                rend="small-caps">Wordsworth</hi></persName> is not a hireling, and has not lost
                        his independence. His Lordship continues&#8212;<q>&#8220;The republican trio (meaning
                            Messrs. <persName><hi rend="small-caps">Wordsworth</hi></persName>, <persName><hi
                                    rend="small-caps">Southey</hi></persName>, and <persName key="SaColer1834"><hi
                                    rend="small-caps">Coleridge</hi></persName>), when they began to publish in
                            common were to have had a community of all things.&#8221;</q> (p. 194.) But they never
                        did publish in common, and they never were to have had a community of any thing. This shews
                        that <persName>Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron</hi></persName> satirised without knowing,
                        and probably without caring, whether he was right or wrong.</seg>
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                <p xml:id="TM-45"> We have observed that the principal aim of the <name type="title"
                        key="LdByron.Vision"><hi rend="italic">Vision of Judgment</hi></name> was to he revenged on
                        <persName key="RoSouth1843"><hi rend="small-caps">Mr. Southey</hi></persName>; but in
                    pursuing this object two others presented themselves to the Noble Satirist&#8212;to insult the
                    loyal and the religious feelings of his countrymen. The criminality of the two latter was not
                    excused by the malignity of the first; but the union of the whole is well accounted for by the
                    view which these <name type="title" key="ThMedwi1869.Conversations">Conversations</name> afford
                    us of <persName key="LdByron">Lord <hi rend="small-caps">Byron&#8217;s</hi></persName> unhappy
                    mental conformation, We have seen him violent, selfish, gross, vain, irritable, malignant, a
                    despiser of women, a hater of his country, an alien from his <hi rend="small-caps">God</hi>,
                    impious, sceptical, superstitious. To sum up all&#8212;With great advantages of birth, rank,
                    person, and fortune, he became a miserable because a vicious man and with vast native powers of
                    imagination, and great acquired command of felicitous language, he was a bad, because an impure
                    and irreligious Poet. </p>
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