In Whig Society 1775-1818
Daniel Giles, MP to Lady Melbourne, 11 September 1811
I am extremely vexed with myself for having introduced you
into the unfortunate discussions existing between me & William & had I foreseen that the referring
to the conversation in question would have had that effect I should certainly
have abstained from mentioning a circumstance the aid of which the ground I
stand upon does not appear to me to require. But having brought it forward I
must endeavour to recall it to your recollection though I may possibly fail
from the observation having been made in an accidental and short conversation
which perhaps I should not have remembered had not the
impression of it been fixed by other circumstances.
The precise time in the last spring I cannot state but you
may perhaps recollect my walking with you & Lord
Melbourne from Whitehall through the Park I
think to St. James’s & then to Mrs. Fitzherbert’s & Lady
Sefton’s. During
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part of the time
some fourth person was with us but who I cannot at this moment recollect. We
were all walking together in the Mall opposite the wall of Carlton House. The
termination of the Parliament was talked of & some observation was made by
the fourth person about St. Albans & the chance of an opposition there. I
said I was very safe or something to that effect & you then observed to me
that I was very strong and popular there & in a manner that made an
impression upon me from my having then lately heard that a sort of enquiry had
been making respecting the strength of Halsey & me & other probable candidates. I do not know
that you were acquainted with this & only mention it to account for my
perfect recollection of your expression. At the same time it is not my wish to
press into this discussion any circumstance that may be thought doubtful, &
if the detail I have given does not bring it back to your mind it would be more
satisfactory to me to consider the allusion to it as expunged from my letter to
William.
The conversation respecting the Dinners was I believe exactly
as you state it but this was long anterior to that which I have referred to.
With respect to what was said at the time of or rather
previous to the Election you cannot fail to recollect that under an
apprehension that my return if obtained would not stand good, I strongly
pressed the advantage of my retiring from the Poll in favor of Frederic or George & urged that in such case William might secure the seat for a future occasion. This you
know was not approved of & I was of course bound to stand the hazard of the
contest. It turned out favour-
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ably, and I obtained the seat
but most assuredly not according to my understanding as a mere tenant for
another, though as I have already said, if the application had been made to me
at an earlier period I should without difficulty have given way to
William & instead of cultivating an interest &
making engagements on my own account should have readily co-operated with him
in preparing the way for his future success.
I forbear from entering more fully into the subject because I
do not wish to engage you in it or to use arguments to influence your opinion.
It is very painful to me to have to discuss such a question at all & there
is not anything I so much deprecate as the hazard of interrupting the
friendship you have long honoured me with & which I shall always feel for
you and your family.
B. King delivered me your message & I hope it will not
be long before I have the pleasure of coming to you at Brocket. We shall
probably meet on the 16th at Hatfield. Believe me,
Youngsbury,
Sept. 11th, 1811.
Maria Anne Fitzherbert [née Smythe] (1756-1837)
The consort of the Prince of Wales whom she married in 1785 as her third husband; the
marriage was regarded as illegitimate since she was a Catholic.
Daniel Giles (1761 c.-1831)
The son of Daniel Giles of the Bank of England, he was educated at Hertford College,
Oxford and Lincoln's Inn; he was a Whig MP for East Grinstead (1802-07) and St. Albans
(1809-12). He was a political acquaintance of William Lamb.
Joseph Thompson Halsey (1774-1818)
Originally Whately; educated at Harrow, he was a Whig MP for St. Albans (1807-18).
Elizabeth Lamb, viscountess Melbourne [née Milbanke] (1751-1818)
Whig hostess married to Peniston Lamb, first Viscount Melbourne (1744-1828); she was the
confidant of Georgiana, duchess of Devonshire, the mother of William Lamb (1779-1848), and
mother-in-law of Lady Caroline Lamb.
Frederick James Lamb, third viscount Melbourne (1782-1853)
The younger son of Elizabeth, Lady Melborne and brother of the prime minister; he was
raised to the peerage as Baron Beauvale in 1839 and succeeded his brother in 1848. His
paternity is doubtful.
George Lamb (1784-1834)
Lawyer and Whig MP for Westminster (1819) and Dungarvan (1822-34), he was the son of
Elizabeth Lamb Viscountess Melbourne, possibly by the Prince of Wales. He was author of a
gothic drama,
Whistle for It (1807) and served with Byron on the
management-committee of Drury Lane. His sister-in-law was Lady Caroline Lamb.
William Lamb, second viscount Melbourne (1779-1848)
English statesman, the son of Lady Melbourne (possibly by the third earl of Egremont) and
husband of Lady Caroline Lamb; he was a Whig MP, prime minister (1834-41), and counsellor
to Queen Victoria.