The Creevey Papers
        Lord Holland to Thomas Creevey, 19 January 1819
        
        
          
        
        
          
        
       
      
      
      
      
     
     
    
     “St. James Square, 19th Jan., 1819. 
    
     “. . . I suspect that which you heard of the payment
                                    of cash at the bank will not be fulfilled this year, tho’ an impression
                                    has been made on the country by the executions for forgery, and on the great
                                    body of retail traders by the forgeries themselves.* . . . Tierney moves on the subject on the 1st of
                                    next Feby., and so changed is the opinion on the subject since you were among
                                    us, that it is selected, and wisely selected, as the most popular question for
                                    Opposition to begin with. The Annual Parliaments and Universal Suffrage men are
                                    at a discount: Ministers worse than ever, and the Whigs, tho’ better than
                                    I have remembered them for some years, far from being in a condition to lead
                                    with any degree of certainty publick 
|  * Between the suspension of cash payments by the Bank
                                            in February, 1797, and February, 1818, three hundred and thirteen
                                            persons were sentenced to death for forgery; whereas during the
                                            fourteen years, 1783-96, preceding such suspension the convictions had
                                            only been three in number. During the six years, 1812-18, no less than
                                            131,361 notes, varying in value from £1 to £20, were detected as
                                            forgeries on presentation for payment.  | 
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| 1819-20.] | LORD HOLLAND UPON THE SITUATION. | 293 | 
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                                    confidence, though I think they are, of the three parties, that to which the
                                    publick just now look most sanguinely for assistance in accomplishing their
                                    object. What these objects are, it is difficult to conjecture or define, and
                                    perhaps the very indistinctness of them will lead the publick to be
                                    disappointed with parties and men. But that there is great expectation that
                                    much can, ought and will be done in Parliament is clear beyond doubt, and
                                    moreover that expectation, if uncertain and even impracticable in its
                                    direction, is grounded on causes that lie too deep to be easily removed. . . .
                                    There is a wonderful change in the feelings, opinions, condition, property and
                                    relative state of the classes in society. The House of Commons hangs yet more
                                    loosely upon parties, and certainly on the Ministerial party, than the last;
                                    and the Ministers, exclusive of many grounds of dissension among themselves
                                    (which are suspected, but may not be true),* are evidently aware and afraid of
                                    the dispositions of the new Parliament. The Lords and Grooms of the Windsor
                                    establishment have received notice to quit, and no notice of pensions. Some say
                                    that they will muster an opposition to retrenchment in the Lords, which may
                                    lead to a dispute between the two Houses. Had they any spirit or talent as well
                                    as ill-humour, our Ultra’s might worry the Ministers on this subject not
                                    a little; for what is more profligate than to resist all retrenchment at
                                    Windsor during the Queen’s life, and on her death to abandon the establishment—so
                                    necessary, as they contended, to his [the King’s] happiness? . . . Brougham is very accommodating, but not in such spirits as he
                                    was. He feels (indeed who does not?) the loss of Romilly doubly as the session approaches. . . . That mad fellow
                                        Verbyst promised to send over the Bipontine edition of
                                        Plato and L’Enfant’s
                                    Council of Pisa. He
                                    received 144 franks for the first—so for the last. He wrote to say that
                                    if he could not get the books, he would
 opinion and
                                    confidence, though I think they are, of the three parties, that to which the
                                    publick just now look most sanguinely for assistance in accomplishing their
                                    object. What these objects are, it is difficult to conjecture or define, and
                                    perhaps the very indistinctness of them will lead the publick to be
                                    disappointed with parties and men. But that there is great expectation that
                                    much can, ought and will be done in Parliament is clear beyond doubt, and
                                    moreover that expectation, if uncertain and even impracticable in its
                                    direction, is grounded on causes that lie too deep to be easily removed. . . .
                                    There is a wonderful change in the feelings, opinions, condition, property and
                                    relative state of the classes in society. The House of Commons hangs yet more
                                    loosely upon parties, and certainly on the Ministerial party, than the last;
                                    and the Ministers, exclusive of many grounds of dissension among themselves
                                    (which are suspected, but may not be true),* are evidently aware and afraid of
                                    the dispositions of the new Parliament. The Lords and Grooms of the Windsor
                                    establishment have received notice to quit, and no notice of pensions. Some say
                                    that they will muster an opposition to retrenchment in the Lords, which may
                                    lead to a dispute between the two Houses. Had they any spirit or talent as well
                                    as ill-humour, our Ultra’s might worry the Ministers on this subject not
                                    a little; for what is more profligate than to resist all retrenchment at
                                    Windsor during the Queen’s life, and on her death to abandon the establishment—so
                                    necessary, as they contended, to his [the King’s] happiness? . . . Brougham is very accommodating, but not in such spirits as he
                                    was. He feels (indeed who does not?) the loss of Romilly doubly as the session approaches. . . . That mad fellow
                                        Verbyst promised to send over the Bipontine edition of
                                        Plato and L’Enfant’s
                                    Council of Pisa. He
                                    received 144 franks for the first—so for the last. He wrote to say that
                                    if he could not get the books, he would |  * Here speaks the old politician, wary from
                                            experience. When was there ever a Ministry about which rumours of
                                            internal dissension were not circulated and eagerly believed? In
                                                Lord Liverpool’s Cabinet
                                            the great question of Roman Catholic Emancipation continued to be
                                            treated as an open one, and Ministers voted as they pleased.  | 
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![]() return the money: he has done neither. I should prefer the
                                    books. Pray see him and make him do one or other. . . .”
 return the money: he has done neither. I should prefer the
                                    books. Pray see him and make him do one or other. . . .” 
    
    Henry Peter Brougham, first baron Brougham and Vaux  (1778-1868)  
                  Educated at Edinburgh University, he was a founder of the 
Edinburgh
                            Review in which he chastised Byron's 
Hours of Idleness; he
                        defended Queen Caroline in her trial for adultery (1820), established the London University
                        (1828), and was appointed lord chancellor (1830).
               
 
    
    
    
    Jacques Lenfant  (1661-1728)  
                  French protestant divine who preached before Queen Anne in 1707.
               
 
    Plato  (427 BC-327 BC)  
                  Athenian philosopher who recorded the teachings of his master Socrates in a series of
                        philosophical dialogues.
               
 
    Sir Samuel Romilly  (1757-1818)  
                  Reformer of the penal code and the author of 
Thoughts on Executive
                            Justice (1786); he was a Whig MP and Solicitor-General who died a suicide.
               
 
    George Tierney  (1761-1830)  
                  Whig MP and opposition leader whose political pragmatism made him suspect in the eyes of
                        his party; he fought a bloodless duel with Pitt in 1798. He is the “Friend of Humanity” in
                        Canning and Frere's “The Needy Knife-Grinder.”