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The Life of William Roscoe
Chapter IX. 1806-1807
William Roscoe, Speech on Samuel Romilly’s freehold estates bill, [March 1807]
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Chapter I. 1753-1781
Chapter II. 1781-1787
Chapter III. 1787-1792
Chapter IV. 1788-1796
Chapter V. 1795
Chapter VI. 1796-1799
Chapter VII. 1799-1805
Chapter IX. 1806-1807
Chapter X. 1808
Chapter XI. 1809-1810
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Chapter XII. 1811-1812
Chapter XIII. 1812-1815
Chapter XIV. 1816
Chapter XV. 1817-1818
Chapter XVI. 1819
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Chapter XVIII. 1824
Chapter XIX. 1825-1827
Chapter XX. 1827-1831
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“I must beg leave, Sir, wholly to dissent from the opinion of the honourable member on the other side of the House (Colonel Eyre), and am, on the contrary, of opinion that the country is highly indebted to the honourable and learned member who introduced the bill, for proposing a measure of such manifest utility. Sir, it is to me matter of surprise that in a country like this, where there is such a continual and daily interchange between real and personal property, this measure should not have been sooner adopted. With respect to the objections which have been
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urged against the bill, as well on this as on a former night, I cannot allow to them any degree of validity. By some we are told that it will make a most dangerous inroad on the laws of our ancestors, and be an innovation on the constitution, as if laws were not to change with the changes and circumstances of the times to which they are applied. By others we are informed that it will be the downfall of the aristocracy, as if the aristocracy could only subsist by the nonpayment of their debts. Next we are informed that a law of this nature will throw the landed estates of the country into the hands of East Indian nabobs, and that it will even interfere with the elective franchise. Really, Sir, I can perceive nothing in the measure under consideration which can have the least tendency to produce any such effects. This bill, when passed into a law, will do nothing more than is done in this country every day. It will subject freehold estates to the payment of simple contract debts, a duty which is already performed by every honest man on making his will; yet what inconvenience has ever been derived from it? What injury to the constitution? Who ever discovered its injurious effects? Is it not, on the contrary, highly desirable that an honest creditor should be paid his just demands? In all cases of this kind, where the testator charges his estate with the payment of his debts, this bill will make no
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difference whatever. Its provisions will only be concurrent with the will of the testator; and whether the creditor recovers his debt under the will, or by the operation of this act, is to him a matter of little importance.

“It is only, then, in cases where a person possessed of freehold estates dies without subjecting them to the payment of his debts that this bill will apply. Now, Sir, such cases can only occur from two causes. First, where a person, knowing himself to be indebted, wilfully and purposely avoids making a provision for the payment of his debts. This, Sir, I cannot but consider as a crime of the highest magnitude. The perpetrator of it avails himself of the law to defraud his just creditor. And what is the moment of the completion of his crime? That awful moment when he quits this state of being, to appear in the immediate presence of his Creator? Surely, Sir, a law to prevent so heinous a crime cannot be too soon passed through this House.

“The second case, Sir, is, when a person, intending to make a will and to do justice to his creditors, is snatched away without having an opportunity of carrying his intentions into effect. Perhaps in the midst of health he has postponed this important duty. Perhaps he feels that reluctance, common to some minds to perform what he considers as a last act. Perhaps he
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perishes by some unforeseen accident, and leaves his estates to be inherited by some distant relation, who seizes upon them, and by refusing to pay the debts of his predecessor, leaves a stigma upon his name, which, if he had supposed that such a circumstance could have taken place, would have been regarded as the greatest calamity that could have befallen him.

“If, however, Sir, there be any gentleman in this House, whose moral taste is so peculiarly formed, as to be gratified with the injustice of the present system, there will still remain sufficient to satisfy him. In the first place, there is the whole class of estates for life, by which a person is enabled to live in high rank and great splendour, so as to obtain considerable credit among his tradesmen, yet at his death his estate passes to the person in remainder, wholly discharged from his debts. There will also still remain all the estates entailed in strict settlement, in which the present possessor either cannot, or will not, defeat the entail, and which pass to the person next in remainder, without being subject to the debts of his predecessor. Neither of these classes will be at all affected by the present bill.

“Nor are the copyhold estates of the country within its operation; and, indeed, I conceive this to have been the strongest objection which was, on a former night, raised against this bill by an honourable and learned member high in the law
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department. But although I could have wished to have seen copyhold estates included, yet I am satisfied with the reasons alleged, in this respect, by the honourable and learned member who introduced the present bill; hoping that on some future occasion its principle will be extended also to copyhold and customary estates.

“Nor am I deterred from expressing this hope by any apprehension that in these wise, and just, and necessary regulations, we are encroaching on the institutions of our ancestors, or making alterations in the established law of the land.

“Sir, it is the very end and object of our meeting to make such regulations as may from time to time be found necessary, and to vary the law, according to the circumstances of the times and the different situations in which the country is placed. In our present situation the measure now proposed is highly necessary and advisable, and I shall therefore give the bill before the House my most hearty assent.”